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Out: Discussing Sexuality

written by guest author Joanna Cake

Getting on for ten years ago, the kids were eating breakfast in the dining room, prior to school, and I was emptying the dishwasher in the kitchen when I caught the tail end of a piece on the radio. Could I possibly have heard it correctly? Were they really announcing that Stephen Gateley had come out? Stephen Gateley, the love of my eight-year-old daughter’s life, was publicly admitting that he was gay.

The walls of her room were covered in Boyzone posters but Stephen was her favourite. If she found out Boyzone were performing on any of the kids’ music shows, she would be watching, avidly drinking in his every move. She was going to be very upset because people would be saying things about Stephen that were obviously not very nice but that she didn’t understand.

But I didn’t have time to consider all the ramifications and repercussions of this News right then. It was gone 8.35 and time for the daily ritual of shouting and running around after them like a sheepdog to ensure that everything that should be in their schoolbags was! I don’t know how many times we had left the house and got halfway to school only to discover that one of the lunches that I had put by the front door so they wouldn’t forget to pack them into their rucksacks had remained in situ.

We walked the mile to school every day, much to my children’s chagrin. How often had I heard them whinge: ‘Why can’t we go by car like everyone else?’, especially on days when the heavens were throwing stair rods as well as cats and dogs at us. But parking at our school was a nightmare and I am one of those mums with a massive 4×4. If I’m honest, it wouldn’t have made any difference if Id had a mini, I couldn’t park one of those either!

I have always loved to walk. The pregnancy pounds fell off me as a result of the four miles a day I walked with my son in the pram, taking my daughter to and from school. When he went to nursery school, this became six miles a day and I relished it. There was never a need to go to keepfit classes because I had my aerobic exercise every day and it gave me so much time to think. And my children were also fit and healthy as a result of this daily exercise.

On this particular morning, having dropped them off just about on time, I had plenty to think about. How on earth was I going to deal with this one? I knew I had just a few hours to come up with a suitable explanation because there was no doubt in my mind that my daughter would be advised of the Stephen Gateley news virtually as soon as she set foot in the playground. Most of her friends were the oldest child in their family so would be protected from revelations like this, but there were still a fair number of classmates with older siblings who would be discussing this event. Through them, this information and a lot of misinformation would, in turn, be disseminating its way down to my daughter. I had to have some answers to counterbalance the views that would have been expressed about Stephen Gateley himself and about homosexuality in general.

It was a tricky subject. We hadn’t really even dealt with the whole birds and the bees thing in anything other than the vaguest terms. I always believed, when they were that age, that you should tell them about controversial stuff when they ask or when it becomes apparent from their conversation that they are about to ask and in terms that they can relate to - not necessarily chapter and verse which they won’t understand. I can remember my own mother telling me the full facts at about my daughter’s age and having this picture in my head that they would lie next to each other in bed and my father’s willy would somehow stretch like a hosepipe around to go inside my mother whilst she was asleep! And, some time later, a baby would fall out of her.

Now, they are into their teenage years, I still use that basic rule but, as my son gets older and is a little less direct about such matters than my daughter, I also throw out things that I think he should know about but I try to do it in a way that shows that sex is a perfectly natural function that it is ok to ask questions about. My golden rule has always been to never be embarrassed or nonplussed and always give an honest answer. So, we don’t sit down and discuss sex per se but if something comes up in a conversation when we’re out in the car or watching something on the TV, then we talk about it as it comes up.

Still, how to deal with ‘gayness’ when straightness hasn’t even been part of a conversation?

When I picked A up that afternoon, at first she said nothing. But, after we had got home and had a drink and a biscuit, she cornered me in the kitchen. ‘Mum, ** says that Stephen is gay. What exactly does that mean?’ To be honest, I couldn’t have asked for a better question. If she had been on the receiving end of any misinformation, she was discounting it with a view to getting the full facts from me.

‘Well, honey. Basically, it means that Stephen prefers to be with other boys, rather than girls. It doesn’t mean that there is anything wrong with him or that you should stop liking him. But you do need to understand that, no matter how much you like him, he is never going to want to marry you or any other girl.’

Just that basic information seemed to be enough for her mind at that time. Later, she had her talk in y10 about the differences physically between boys and girls and about menstruating and the like but there was never any discussion about hetero- or homo-sexuality at that stage. They seemed to become aware in about y11 that being gay meant you liked having ’sex’ with people of the same gender but again their understanding of specifics was very vague.

It was several years later when my son started in y8 and I asked him what they had talked about in their PHSE lesson that I found out how they learned about being gay in terms of sexuality. He told me that they had been discussing condoms and ’same sex sex’. ‘But, mum,’ he asked. ‘How does that work?’ After establishing that he was clear what sex between a man and a woman entailed, I answered his question. His face when I told him it involved penises and bottoms was a picture. ‘Well, I’m certainly never doing that!’ he announced emphatically.

I did take the opportunity to talk about condoms and learning how to put them on and also to reassure him that he could ask me absolutely anything and I would answer his questions as best I could. I went on to say that he could also tell me anything and I would never be judgemental because he would always be my little boy that I loved very much. Even if, at some point in the future, he did decide that he wanted to have ’same sex sex’. ‘You think I’m gay?’ ‘Well, no, I’m just saying that you can tell me anything.’ ‘I’m not gay, I’m not!’

I’m not sure whether I handled that bit quite as well as I might…

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5 Comments so far (Add 1 more)

  1. Your article is both interesting and extremely helpful Joanna, thank you. As the parent of a 4 year old I have been wondering recently how to manage thesew type of conversations. Your own examples are excellent. As my parents never mentioned the birds and the bees once during my childhood, and I also went to a Catholic school, it became a dirty secretive subject. I have learnt a lot from your article in handling these matters as I do not want to make the same mistake with my daughter.

    1. IngeniousRose on October 11th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
  2. 21st C Mum - Thank you. I can remember T looking at me naked many times, obviously wondering the same thing.

    My Starbucks - What Im learning is that to be open and honest is the only way because they surprise you all the time. Im really proud that, at 17, A will come and ask me about anything of that nature in a way that I never could have with my own mother. But there is always the inherent fear that I still may not have done enough…

    JHS - Thank you for drawing that to my attention and I apologise if I have offended anyone with the rather thoughtless phrasing. Just being pulled up about it makes me assess what may have seemed like a negative attitude towards the possibility and I appreciate that greatly. I think your wording is spot on - ‘loved unconditionally whatever’ and I shall try to remember that should the subject come up again.

    I have also noticed that my kids did go through a phase of using gay in that way and I have said to them that I dont like it. Trouble is, making too much of a fuss can lead to them doing it more just to annoy.

    2. joannacake on October 11th, 2007 at 4:29 am
  3. Phrases like “[e]ven if, at some point in the future, he did decide . . . ” set off alarms for me because there is an inherent suggestion that you would be disappointed if he were gay as indicated by the words “even if.” There’s a value judgment there that you don’t appear to have intended, but it crept into the conversation nonetheless.

    My preference would be to have parents simply say “I will love you no matter what you decide when you get older and think more about this subject” without adding “even if” you determine that you are, in fact, gay.

    My kids have always known how their mother feels about these issues: I left organized religion in large part due to the homophobia and bigotry of the institutional church. I spend my professional life in pursuit of equal rights for all persons, including the right to marry the person of our choice irrespective of gender. So they know that if they are gay, straight, bisexual or transgendered, they will always be my kids — loved unconditionally and always welcome in this house without or without life partners.

    For some reason, kids these says use the term “that’s so gay” in a pejorative sense. In fact, we even got a letter from my youngest’s high school about it. I immediately verified with the principal that my kid was not saying that. Both of my kids know NEVER to speak in that manner — in my presence or elsewhere.

    3. JHS on October 10th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
  4. Wow! You did well with a very sticky situation. I love that you encourage your kids to be open and honest with their questions about sexuality. Some parents just leave that part of education to other kids on the playground. Good for you!

    4. MyStarbucks on October 10th, 2007 at 7:19 am
  5. What a great article. It will certainly help me tackle those questions. Currently, I’m dealing with “mummy, where’s your winky” from my 3 year old. ;-D

    6. 21st Century Mummy on October 9th, 2007 at 11:43 am

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